"desertdog5051" (desertdog5051)
07/03/2015 at 18:55 • Filed to: None
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"desertdog5051" (desertdog5051)
07/03/2015 at 18:55 • Filed to: None | 13
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By now most of you have heard the story of Lynne Russell, the former CNN news anchor, and spouse having a shootout with a would-be robber in a motel in Albuquerque. One of the comments she gave a local TV station is that the main reason her spouse is alive is he was a better shot. Training requirements to have a CC license paid off in his case.
In this day where lunatic/extreme criminals seem to be everywhere, The CC permit makes more and more sense. Average response time for cops is in multiple minutes. They do their best but they can’t be everywhere or any place without a delay. The result is, most often, that the innocent people become the casualties.
In this case the result was the opposite of what you regularly read. The victims survived and the criminal died.
I wish, in a perfect world, we did not need guns or they were used for fun or used for skill games. But the CC laws that require formal training have given regular people an opportunity to have a first line of defense and safeguard their lives. Until there is an alternative, this is the best/only defense most people will have.
It also
may, just may
make just one criminal think twice before they assault someone.
wiffleballtony
> desertdog5051
07/03/2015 at 19:08 |
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I dial M1911 in case or emergency.
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desertdog5051
> wiffleballtony
07/03/2015 at 19:14 |
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Ahhh. I have an original 1911 as well.
BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE
> desertdog5051
07/03/2015 at 19:16 |
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I wish, in a perfect world, we did not need guns or they were used for fun or used for skill games.
This. You can’t feasibly take the guns out of the hands of criminals or those who might do harm (that’s not to say it’s wasted effort to try to do so), so the best course of action is to be prepared. Well stated.
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wiffleballtony
> desertdog5051
07/03/2015 at 19:18 |
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Technically speaking mine is a commander style. It handles my CC duties.
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desertdog5051
> wiffleballtony
07/03/2015 at 19:28 |
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Still good as far as I am concerned.
themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> desertdog5051
07/03/2015 at 19:34 |
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I hate feeling like I’m not taking sides with my opinions on the second amendment, but I always ask “How do we solve, not the GUN problem, but the problem that makes us feel the need for guns in the first place?” No one seems to care to ask why we feel the need to arm ourselves to do something as simple as go to a city. The only other places where this is common are basically, third world countries, war zones, and places overrun with obvious gang/drug cartel issues.
Arming people doesn’t solve the original problem of why we churn out criminals at a very rapid rate for a “first world” country.
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desertdog5051
> themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
07/03/2015 at 19:41 |
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Some very interesting, thought provoking and perplexing points you bring up. I have tossed those around in my head before.
Your second paragraph further confounds the brain.
ttyymmnn
> desertdog5051
07/03/2015 at 19:56 |
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It is unfortunate that we have come to the point in our culture where we have to have a gun on our hip to feel safe. That is the great tragedy.
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desertdog5051
> ttyymmnn
07/03/2015 at 20:23 |
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I do agree with that. Sometimes my love of history takes over and asks if this is a sign of decline in our culture that will eventually lead to the fall of our nation. Rome, Greece, Egypt to name a few saw their rise and fall. I guess that we are no different.
KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
07/03/2015 at 20:29 |
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Arming people doesn’t solve the original problem of why we churn out criminals at a very rapid rate for a “first world” country.
Part of the issue is that there is a good portion of the populace that doesn’t feel as if they can participate in legitimate commerce. Either due to their location, or circumstances (e.g. government schools). Yet, little is done to improve that position, mainly due to institutional inertia.
Another part of the issue is the fact that we criminalize so damn much in this country that you can’t escape it. Ask Harvey Silverglate. He even wrote a book about it.
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies…
DrJohannVegas
> desertdog5051
07/03/2015 at 20:35 |
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You both might enjoy looking at this report from 2012; it charts the police-reported crime rates across a variety of offenses for the OECD countries. I don’t want to be too blunt about it, but there’s a lot to suggest that perceptions of crime and danger are much higher relative to the actual crime and danger level in some cases.
Going back to tmws’ original point, it’s the feeling which I find most interesting: why do people feel afraid (and perhaps more afraid) even as crime rates are generally on the decline and lower than they were in the past? Before we even talk about why we think guns are the solution, let’s take an honest look at how bad things are compared to other “first world” (as tmws put it) countries. Bottom line: the US isn’t always at the top, when you compare on a per-capita basis. The rate is not that high, the number is a consequence of the size of the US.
http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_st…
edit: I normally wouldn’t feel obliged to bring this sort of thing up, but gun discussions seem like a place where people’s “agenda” and character get brought up, so here’s my line: I have taken CC courses in a few states, but never got the permits. I think they are valuable training for safer gun ownership, and a good opportunity to interact with firearms in a safe environment. Plus, it’s sometimes easier than figuring out a temporary range membership and rental. (I’m lazy like that.) I think folks should be able to carry firearms, but similarly that businesses and the like should be able to prohibit carriage on their premises. Most of all, I don’t think that more guns are necessarily the answer, but before we even consider answers, I think we need to question the question.
samssun
> ttyymmnn
07/03/2015 at 20:58 |
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Is it unfortunate that we have to have a seatbelt on our lap to feel safe, or a fire extinguisher in our kitchen, or insurance against a rare million dollar cancer? Or is it just recognizing that low probability events can still be so high impact that it’s worth being prepared for?
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ttyymmnn
> desertdog5051
07/03/2015 at 21:01 |
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I wonder the same thing sometimes. Unlimited fighting, our obsession with gore and spectacle, it takes so much to have an effect on people these days, I wonder if we aren’t approaching a similar situation to the Roman Colisseum.
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ttyymmnn
> samssun
07/03/2015 at 21:04 |
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I understand your argument, and I respect it. I just don’t agree. I can’t put a fire extinguisher and a seat belt in the same category as a handgun.
DipodomysDeserti
> ttyymmnn
07/03/2015 at 21:36 |
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We never came to this point. We've always been at it.
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DipodomysDeserti
> ttyymmnn
07/03/2015 at 21:38 |
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I’ve known people who were shot to death/beaten/stabbed but I’ve never seen anyone burned to death. I feel more of a need for a handgun than a fire extinguisher. I still usually have both near me.
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desertdog5051
> DrJohannVegas
07/03/2015 at 23:00 |
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I had a 6 ot 7 paragraph reply written to you and it just disappeared. Kinja I suspect. Sorry.
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DrJohannVegas
> desertdog5051
07/04/2015 at 03:19 |
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Might have gotten relegated to drafts? I’d like to hear your thoughts, even if in summary.
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desertdog5051
> DrJohannVegas
07/04/2015 at 10:51 |
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I searched all over for it and I can’t find it. I will try to recreate it through the day.